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AR15 in 9mm, Hera or Schmeisser, which one is better?

  • Hello everybody,

    I would like to buy a 10 inch AR15 in 9mm in December, you can choose, who would have guessed, the Hera 9er 2020 or the latest Schmeisser version

    Now I've watched various YouTube videos, but I'm still not smarter ... what do you say, which of the two should you take?

    I've shot the Hera before (old Gen1 and Gen2), the new one, and unfortunately nobody has the Schmeisser with us.

    I have a Schmeisser AR15 in .223 myself.

    I can't find the right for and again with either of them ... the only disadvantage I see with the Schmeisser is that it can only hold the processed Glock magazines, and they are 3 times as expensive as normal ones from PMAG.

    In the end, I would otherwise probably let the price decide, the Hera is on average almost 200 euros cheaper at dealers near me.

    greeting

    Marc

  • Magazine prices should not be a decision criterion. With the weapons you shoot several times the price difference in ammunition in a short time.

    At Hera, the first step is to decide whether to use the model for Glock magazines or for UZI / Colt magazines.

    If you have a Glock handgun, you have a problem with the model for Glock magazines because the handgun magazines have become prohibited items.

    At Schmeisser, you get around this with this magazine lock (which, as far as I know, can be removed by the gunsmith if you don't have the Glock problem.)

    I've heard of some problems with both Hera and Schmeisser models. But I assume that these were start-up problems that have now been resolved.

    At Schmeisser, the difficult loading bothers me.

    As far as I can see on the homepage, the Schmeisser are delivered with a (nonsensical) flash hider or protective nut over the thread. On the other hand, there has been a lot of positive feedback on the Hera compensator (standard delivery?).

    Depending on the type of sport planned, I would also see what the respective BKA declarations give in detail. Anyone who wants to shoot the new 50m skill disciplines of the BDS should have a notification with a bipod.

    Both weapons are very similar to shooting; with the 9s, the problem is usually the reloading process with a full magazine against the closed breech. However, this is irrelevant for a number of sports.

    BTW, a little riddle:

    With the Hera The 9ers as a special 2020 model in 13.5 ", as it is currently emblazoned on the front of the webpage, you shouldn't start at BDS if the supervisor is reasonably alert. Who knows why?

  • With the Hera The 9ers as a special 2020 model in 13.5 ", as it is currently emblazoned on the front of the webpage, you shouldn't start at BDS if the supervisor is reasonably alert. Who knows why?

    I don't have a solution, but I'm interested in the answer

  • Magazine size and appearance? N.A. just guessed.

  • Hm, I would have now also tapped the magazine coupler, which is longer than the handle as shown in the picture ..

    But since the other weapons are also shown with a magazine coupler,

    it has to be something else with the 13.5 "version.

    The adjustable shaft? Nope not either ..

    hm, no bearing what is meant.

    Does the asymmetrical compensator from Hera bring anything?

    Last year I got the one from PGW .. was at the moment the only one with BKA notification (Waffenschule Mayer) .. doesn't really work .. it just looks damn good * imho * ..

    mfG Long

    P220X-Six .45ACP Gen.1 with WS.9mm + .22lfb, S & W686 International converted to TC

    "I am what I am. Some know me, others know me. "

    Konrad Adenauer

  • Hm, I would have now also tapped the magazine coupler, which is longer than the handle as shown in the picture ..

    But since the other weapons are also shown with a magazine coupler, the 13.5 "version must be something different.

    Very good!

    I haven't looked at the complete range after this picture is so beautiful on the first page.

    It is the coupler that allows the magazine to protrude beyond the handle, which in turn was defined as an apparent feature by an OLG decision.

    According to Section 6, Paragraph 1, Section 2 AWaffV, one of the characteristics

    • "Bullpup" construction (not applicable here)
    • less than 40 cm barrel length (applicable here)
    • Sleeve length less than 40 mm (applicable here)

    apply so that the topic of "appearance" becomes relevant to allow the weapon for sport shooting.

    Nowadays the manufacturers have the weapons checked by the BKA for this appearance in order to have as many of these features approved as possible. In the past two years, "impossible" features such as thrust stock, compensator and bipod have been approved for individual weapons. So far, however, there is no notification in which the BKA

    • Hand protection / fore-end with ventilation holes
    • magazines protruding above the handle

    would have approved.

  • I don't think that's the gun (s) with

    Magazine coupler go to the BKA, or a corresponding photo will be sent there for the notification.

    A completely normal 10 Colt / Glock

    Magazine will be in there.

    What you do then on the range

    is up to you, or you let it depend.

    mfG Long

    P220X-Six .45ACP Gen.1 with WS.9mm + .22lfb, S & W686 International converted to TC

    "I am what I am. Some know me, others know me. "

    Konrad Adenauer

  • I don't think that's the gun (s) with

    Magazine coupler go to the BKA, or a corresponding photo will be sent there for the notification.

    On the BKA notices that I have on hand for my weapons, the weapons are always shown with a magazine because the overall impression ("appearance") is assessed.

    If you design the weapon differently afterwards, it may give the appearance of a weapon of war, is therefore excluded from sport shooting, is not covered by sporting needs, so a weapon that you are not allowed to have ...

    That leaves the room of the "private matter" very quickly, especially for the stand supervisor,

  • Weyland, there will be a photo with a magazine in which you will be informed ... just not with the magazine coupler.

    The photo that is on the notice of my Hera "The 9er C" in 10 ",

    was last year, is not a picture of the weapon that goes with it, but

    an example weapon on which the

    prohibited and permitted components

    to be explained ..

    mfG Long

    P220X-Six .45ACP Gen.1 with WS.9mm + .22lfb, S & W686 International converted to TC

    "I am what I am. Some know me, others know me. "

    Konrad Adenauer

  • If you design the weapon differently afterwards, it may give the appearance of a weapon of war, it is therefore excluded from sport shooting, it is not covered by sporting needs, so a weapon that you are not allowed to have ...

    So you got it after all ... and in the other Fred you pretend not. :: c.o.l)

    What is the legislature about: He has banned loooong magazines that stick out very badly because it looks very bad.

    That and nothing else is the father of the law. Long is bad.

    And I am very sure that Mag couplers will also be banned soon.

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  • Weyland:

    Did i win? If so, I will get detailed advice on buying my first one available AR15 from you. Money? Yes - until then I can still save something.

  • Sports advice is always free with me - sometimes unfortunately also for free; - /

    And I am very sure that Mag couplers will also be banned soon.

    What you are so sure about ...

    Why do you have so much fun seeing everything so black?

    35 years ago they also explained to me what I was not allowed to do in shooting sports and that everything would get much worse ...

    Today I have several AR15s, which was unthinkable at the time, I shoot IPSC and 3 Gun, which was unthinkable in Germany at the time, load magazines with more than 5 rounds, throw over> 1 km of steel plates and buy calibers that were banned at the time ...

    I'm having fun ... you ruin your life with black painting.

  • And I am very sure that Mag couplers will also be banned soon.

    Hm, if the magazine protrudes, even if there are two magazines in this case, and these are not allowed to protrude over the handle, because appearance, you need the magazine coupler, not forbid ... you may have it, but just not use .. otherwise one would also have to forbid armored tape, which performs similar services as the magazine coupler, just not as elegant, looks ..

    I am also allowed to have the fore-end grip (which protrudes downwards) ... just not use it on the weapon ..

    mfG Long

    P220X-Six .45ACP Gen.1 with WS.9mm + .22lfb, S & W686 International converted to TC

    "I am what I am. Some know me, others know me. "

    Konrad Adenauer

  • On the Hera website, under Magazines, there is a picture with coupled magazines, both with the cartridge side up. Obviously goes into the can and that would be allowed, just not the other way around? :: laugh2 ::

  • a picture with coupled magazines, both with the cartridge side up. Obviously goes into the can and that would be allowed, just not the other way around? :: laugh2 ::

    A magazine protruding above the handle is an apparent feature.

    In sum, these appearances of a weapon either give the appearance of a weapon of war or not.

    ("The jug goes to the well ...")

    You don't have to approve of that, hardly anyone does, but just understand and apply it as a marksman.

  • are two magazines one magazine because they were screwed together? I thought with the "Seehoferschen magazine couplers" there was a consensus that this was not the case.

    And since a single magazine is no longer than the handle ...